AFTON and Gorilla production protest in New Orleans

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AFTON and Gorilla production protest in New Orleans

Postby nolabass » Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:43 pm

Interesting back and forth in Craigs with "pay to play" companies working in town. Starts around March 30th. Mainly a disgruntled musician but some interesting points made. Gorilla defending themselves and such.
http://neworleans.craigslist.org/muc/
Bullshit claims....we know all too well.

These guys in your town?


Afton, big time entertainment and Gorrilla Productions are a PAY-TO-PLAY SCAM! It doesnt matter if your band is just starting out and needs a gig or if you've been around the block, these guys exploit eager and young musicians to join a "battle of the bands" scenario, and talk about suppoting local music, when in fact, they are all out of town companies that haven't even been to the venues that they are booking these gigs. Its almost always on a weeknight or a sunday night.(this is the only way they can get the venues to agree to this, since business is slow for these guys on those nights anyways) Book your own gigs, it may seem hard, but keep trying. its part of the game. These companies have to constantly change names in order to operate. They walk away with about $1200 a nite for these shows while the "winner" has to split 40 bucks between 4-5 bandmates. In the end, the friends who bought tickets feel cheated and may never come to another show. Besides, you only get to play for 30 minutes, it takes not much less time than that to set up and break down all of your gear. Shame on these companies. Cmon New Orleans!!! lets boycott these battle of the bands deals, even if it is put on by a local venue. No one wins except for the venues!!! And if you DO win, do you really think you are the best band in the area for it? Get real. See the light, please. Most of the time, its not even the best band that wins, its the band that brings the most people, and lets face it, there are ALWAYS shitty bands out there with more family and friends than you. So dont cut yourself short. I would LOVE to see every battle of the band contest in new orleans fail and have a hard time even booking bands, but there will always be a band thinking they are going to "show the world" they are the best, even though they are playing $75 dollar fake strats and First Act drumkits. Real musicians, please have some pride and dont cheapen yourselves by buying into the lie. And any venues out there that are readiong this, go fxxk yourselves if you are thinking of putting on these illusionary battles. The ghost of New Orleans will shit on your neck and piss on your forehead for selling the soul of the city. have a great day!!!
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Re: AFTON and Gorilla production protest in New Orleans

Postby Mike Childree » Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:46 am

Read through the responses. As bad as I think Pay-To-Play sucks, after having been on the opposite side of the bar (as the management), I have to say that a majority of these young musicians have a very distorted perception of reality as regards the money made at a club. The promoters could be getting over on the bands, but that's always happened...and they'll find it happens even when they move up in the music world. You have to keep a tight grip on your business dealings at all times...maybe that's the best lesson for those bands to learn.

One of the first lessons they need to learn, though, is that bars and clubs are NOT in the business of helping musicians further their careers. They exist to sell food and drink, and the entertainment is only hired to bring in clientele to buy that food/drink. Even the places that charge a cover operate on a pretty scant margin. So...the lesson is...if you want to make real money, get the hell out of the bars as quickly as possible.
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Re: AFTON and Gorilla production protest in New Orleans

Postby GonzoBass » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:37 pm

We had one of these outfits roll through town a few years back.
It was a talent contest billed as "Shower of Stars".

Not only were there entry fees for the contestants,
plus big ticket prices at the door for the finals
but all the prizes were donated by local businesses
because there was a "portion of proceeds donated to charity" angle worked in there somehow.
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So someone made a bundle off this idea here!


Mike Childree wrote:One of the first lessons they need to learn, though, is that bars and clubs are NOT in the business of helping musicians further their careers. They exist to sell food and drink, and the entertainment is only hired to bring in clientele to buy that food/drink.

Yup.
All the management sees is the bottom line.
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Re: AFTON and Gorilla production protest in New Orleans

Postby nolabass » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:50 pm

Man, someone posted the rules.....geeez. The way I read this, if you say your gonna play it'll cost you money even if you don't play. There are 8 bands and everybody has to be there at 4:00. If you are the last band you have to set through 7 other load ins and load outs before you play. But if you leave or say fuckit....it'll cost you. There's a $50 no show fee. Screw dat. [smilie=angry-smiley-005.gif]

Another guy said the winning band receives studio time and $500 in the final. Apparently it takes a bunch of these gigs to make it to the finals.....generating over $500 before you even get that far. The studio time is not mentioned....how long or where....so that's useless. [smilie=tosser.gif]

Battle of the Bands Rules

* Each battle will consist of approximately 8 bands, each playing a 30 minute set
* The winner of each show will advance to the finals. The winner of the finals will receive $500 in cash, 20 hours of studio time, a submission to one of the following labels: Warner Bros., Rotten, Geffen, Prosthetic, Metal Blade, Universal, or Columbia. The band will also receive a headlining gig at the featured concert club.
* Judging will be based on audience response/applause at the end of the show. Note: The more people you bring, the better your chances of winning. Don't forget to tell your fans to stick around until the end of the show.
* Time slots are based on each band's ticket sales. Time slots will be determined after bands have turned in all ticket money. The band that sells the most tickets gets the first choice and is declared the HEADLINER. The band that sells the second most gets second choice of time slots, and so on.
* Each band will be given 100 tickets to sell. Tickets are priced at $8 in advance and $10 at the door, day of show. All ticket money and unsold tickets must be turned in at load-in on the day of the show. Bands will be held responsible for any missing tickets.
* LOAD-IN WILL BE EXACTLY 90 MINUTES PRIOR TO THE FIRST BAND. The show time is printed on your tickets. Even if you expect to be the headliner, ALL BANDS must check in at load-in time. YOU MUST BE ON TIME OR YOU WILL NOT PLAY!
* Bands must be considerate of other bands getting off stage as soon as possible in order to enjoy a full set. Bands that do not get off stage in a timely manner will not be considered for future events.
* Bands must bring there own gear. The club will supply the PA and mics.
* There is no entry fee for the Battle of the Bands; however, due to various costs, there is a $25 cancellation fee. If you decide not to inform us of your decision to withdraw, the no-show fee is $50. In other words, HONOR YOUR COMMITMENT. Relationships and integrity mean everything in this business.
* Good Luck!
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Re: AFTON and Gorilla production protest in New Orleans

Postby aussiemark » Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:33 pm

Battle of the Bands Rules

* Each battle will consist of approximately 8 bands, each playing a 30 minute set
* The winner of each show will advance to the finals. The winner of the finals will receive $500 in cash, 20 hours of studio time, a submission to one of the following labels: Warner Bros., Rotten, Geffen, Prosthetic, Metal Blade, Universal, or Columbia. The band will also receive a headlining gig at the featured concert club.
* Judging will be based on audience response/applause at the end of the show. Note: The more people you bring, the better your chances of winning. Don't forget to tell your fans to stick around until the end of the show.
* Time slots are based on each band's ticket sales. Time slots will be determined after bands have turned in all ticket money. The band that sells the most tickets gets the first choice and is declared the HEADLINER. The band that sells the second most gets second choice of time slots, and so on.
* Each band will be given 100 tickets to sell. Tickets are priced at $8 in advance and $10 at the door, day of show. All ticket money and unsold tickets must be turned in at load-in on the day of the show. Bands will be held responsible for any missing tickets.
* LOAD-IN WILL BE EXACTLY 90 MINUTES PRIOR TO THE FIRST BAND. The show time is printed on your tickets. Even if you expect to be the headliner, ALL BANDS must check in at load-in time. YOU MUST BE ON TIME OR YOU WILL NOT PLAY!
* Bands must be considerate of other bands getting off stage as soon as possible in order to enjoy a full set. Bands that do not get off stage in a timely manner will not be considered for future events.
* Bands must bring there own gear. The club will supply the PA and mics.
* There is no entry fee for the Battle of the Bands; however, due to various costs, there is a $25 cancellation fee. If you decide not to inform us of your decision to withdraw, the no-show fee is $50. In other words, HONOR YOUR COMMITMENT. Relationships and integrity mean everything in this business.
* Good Luck!


Hitler had rules like this and was pretty popular for a couple of years too, until everybody wised up.

What a con job this is!
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Re: AFTON and Gorilla production protest in New Orleans

Postby nolabass » Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:26 pm

Update:

Good news everyone!!!! Howlin' Wolf is wanting to negotiate!!!! They agree that the companies are scammers and are willing to work with us to stop the pay-to-play scammers and replace them with a more musician friendly company. Please stop any positive reinforcement of these scammers in any way. They want people to misguide each other into doing these rigged shows so they can keep generating 95% profit. The are just as bad as a Nigerian scammer and sometimes worse. Both Gorilla and Afton especially afton have emailed my organization with threats both physical and otherwise. They have offered us bribes also. We got them scared and now that the clubs are starting negotiations they are emailing us threatening our lives and our reputation. They are a ruthless organization of criminals and should all be put in prison. We are not just a group of disgruntled bands but a national movement of musicians, promoters, entertainment layers, and other music fans fighting to put an end to this practice. We do not do this for personal profit but to help exploited acts while gorilla and afton only do what they do for profit. Who are you going to stand up for? If your as you said to buissy to show up for the protest them stand up in other ways by boycotting these companies and not saying anything positive that they can reedit and then re post on their own website. The are criminals and when they finally have legal actions brought on them they simply change names and move to the next state. Come stand with us on April 19th at the Howlin' Wolf at 6pm and lets finish them off. We are going to overcome I promise! for more info about the protest email Jay at str8entXXXXXXX@yahoo.com


Hey All ,
Starting in the later part of April The owner of the Bengal 2 in metairie has consented to let us do All Original Wednesdays . We'd like to have 3 or 4 only original music acts each night (Rock , Pop , Blues Country , ) any style music as long as it's original . There will be full PA there and we'll have back line on stage as well so little equip. is needed .There will be NO COVER CHARGE ,You won;t have to SELL TICKETS . NO JUDGING , NO CONTESTS , NO BATTLE OF THE BANDS . All we ask is that you bring as many of you friends as you can to promote this into a VERY COOL thing so we can keep doing it . Now for the best part, each act that is booked and performs WILL GET PAID .It may not be much depending on how many acts play. but you WILL get paid . Here is your chance New Orleans music community to create something special . I read all these complaints about no place for orig music to be heard and played , I read posts about SCAMS from contests and battle of the bands by Gorrilla and Afton, Well that's not the case here .This is totally dedicated to promote the New Orleans original music scene AND bussiness at the club (hey we all need to make a lil money right ?) So If your in a band or solo or duo that has at least 5 or more original songs. Or if you play in a mostly cover band but have some of your own songs that you'd like to play contact me @ dannyXXXXXX@yahoo.com to schedule a wed for you . Let's see if we can make something great happen
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Re: AFTON and Gorilla production protest in New Orleans

Postby GonzoBass » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:36 am

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