Soliciting recommendation on an ABG?

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Soliciting recommendation on an ABG?

Postby ampig » Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:58 am

A friend wants to get into playing music and is looking for an ABG. He'd like to spend $300-$400 and doesn't want anything made in China. I assume Pac-Rim stuff is OK. What's something of decent quality he can pick used up in that price range.
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Re: Soliciting recommendation on an ABG?

Postby Golem » Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:02 pm

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Price may affect quality ...... in materials
and build quality ..... but price has little
impact on usefulness of ABGs. As a genre,
they are useless, clanky when amped and
whispery when not, but acoarst as always
an exception to the rule lurks somewhere.

All you gotta do is find it. Bassically, that
means buying local which in far too many
locations spells hopelessness.

Assuming you're gonna plug it in ... cuz if
you ain't there's no point in advising ....
clankyness derives from frets so best to
just avoid frets. A more acoustic sound is
generally enhanced by TI Jazz Flats. I've
found ONE fretted ABG whose voice is so
prominent that the clanks do not equal
or dominate the string-and-box voice ....
the Kramer Ferrington.

Your biggest quality issue wth ABGs is at
the bridge. Getting that ribbon to behave
well can be related to the care taken in
routing out its groove. Number two issue
is lack of shielding and grounding. Very
likely you'll find a decent sounding ax that
sounds OK only when you run a grounding
jumper from the jack/plug to a plumbing
fixture. You need to ground the strings to
your hand by simple internal wiring mods.
Again, price does not seem to affect this.
The Kramer requires such mod, but is well
worth the trouble.

I wish you great luck, cuz you're gonna
need oodles of it !

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Re: Soliciting recommendation on an ABG?

Postby Rhian Batson » Fri Jan 02, 2015 8:35 am

The only acoustic bass guitar that I truly liked in terms of unplugged acoustic sound quality and volume AND was under 1k was the Tacoma Thunderchief cb10. I owned the spruce top model and had it strung up with Daddario Phosphor bronze acoustic strings (EPBB170 .045 - .065 - .080 - .100 iirc). Other's I have owned that were at the 300-400 range were mostly MIK/Indo stuff and to my ears sounded thin and tinny comparatively, felt toy like and required their preamp and amp for any decent sound to come out. The TC is more expensive, running at around 700SUSD used on ebay but definitely worth the money imho. Im not saying you wont need an amp, conversely you will still want a nice combo to push some air, but in terms of raw quality tone, the TC was a winner.

I know it's not in your price point but I really havent run across a bass in that range that was worth the $$$. Maybe someone else will chime in on a quality starter ABG. Best of luck to you [smilie=food-smiley-004.gif]
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Re: Soliciting recommendation on an ABG?

Postby ampig » Fri Jan 02, 2015 9:20 am

FWIW. I'm no ABG fan. I also find them pretty useless.
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Re: Soliciting recommendation on an ABG?

Postby MickeyOne » Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:48 pm

Godin A4 but it will run around $500 used. I really like them unplugged but not amplified though.

I did see a fretless A4 with a damaged body at Skip's Music in Sacramento yesterday for $400. Played and sounded good.
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Re: Soliciting recommendation on an ABG?

Postby ghiadub » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:25 am

I had a Sunlite that was decent, very inexpensive and sounded louder than the Martin ABG. Definitely not a better bass. Not sure where it was made, but it blew the ibanez, fender, breedlove, and most others out for about 100$ less.

The trick to getting decent volume from a cheap one is using a pick.

I was at the moses booth last year and the guy had a new version of the Ernie ball acoustic. I forget the company, I think it had a moses neck on it or was some kind of joint project. I am sure it would be pricy.
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Re: Soliciting recommendation on an ABG?

Postby bigfatbass » Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:52 pm

I bought one of the cheapo Deans in August and I noodle around on it all the time. It makes no sound when played with your fingers, but with a heavy pick it sounds remarkably decent. They go for around $180, no idea where it was made, but it is a shockingly playable thing, with decently rolled frets.
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Re: Soliciting recommendation on an ABG?

Postby ampig » Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:56 am

He should really buy a Mexi P bass and a small Peavey amp.............
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Re: Soliciting recommendation on an ABG?

Postby Telebass » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:29 pm

In reality, no matter the budget, an ABG is for looks only. If that isn't an issue, use an electric. Otherwise, buy whatever ABG floats your boat, and a small combo. I use an old Bassman 25 with a Fender Kingman. Works a treat. Still sounds like an electric, though!
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Re: Soliciting recommendation on an ABG?

Postby Golem » Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:18 pm

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If it's just gotta look acoustic, you might
find a used Jack Cassady on that budget.

There's a coupla Ibnez archy toppy models
rather similar to the JC that should also
fit the budget.

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Re: Soliciting recommendation on an ABG?

Postby Jerry » Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:22 pm

I had a fly date on Tuesday that required a acoustic bass since there was no power at the gig, I picked up one of those Warwick Alian acoustic basses.......I missed my amp. [smilie=cheeky-smiley-025.gif] Thanks for the heads up about using a pick, definitely was louder.
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Re: Soliciting recommendation on an ABG?

Postby bigfatbass » Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:01 pm

The best sounding ABG I ever heard was an old Ernie Ball Earthwood, with a new set of those heavy ass strings, and a big triangle pick, a 'la Brian Richie. Brutal on the hands, but solid deep tone, and it could cut mustard over a whole gang of hippies with guitars. My buddy who owned it said it was a tough beast to keep intonated and at a reasonable action, but he loved the vibe, and had the youthful hand stamina. Think guitarron strung with phone cable.

Found an image to show the size of these things for those unfamiliar. It's not me in the pic, no idea who it is, but assuming he is an average sized dude by his scale to the outlet on the wall, you get the idea they were effin' BIG.

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Re: Soliciting recommendation on an ABG?

Postby ampig » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:56 am

Oy
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Re: Soliciting recommendation on an ABG?

Postby Paul DeLano » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:28 am

I still want one of those Earthwood basses.

No idea why.

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Re: Soliciting recommendation on an ABG?

Postby ghiadub » Fri Jan 09, 2015 7:59 am

Ya, those are nearly impossible to find, but loud as a doghouse.

Like I mentioned in my previous post, there is a company making them now.

http://www.lamontguitarcompany.com

http://www.lamontguitarcompany.com/files/89875230.pdf
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