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Interesting Gig Tonight...

Postby GonzoBass » Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:15 am

With Larry Carlton in town
(a rare show for Hilo)
my guitard, uh... requested the night off from our regular Sunday gig.

Well, after exhausting my entire list of sub guitards,
ALL of whom are going to the Larry Carlton show,
I've booked saxophonist Jeff Gaeth
(You may remember him- Ex Ray Charles Band, we did "Cabaret" together?)
and we're going to do the gig as a duo.

With no other chordal instrument,
this really leaves me absolutely NO place to hide if I clam. [smilie=icon_eek.gif]
So I am up early and practicing...
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It's been interesting to have to rethink some of these charts as a "solo rhythm section".
Especially things like the slash chords:
Funny how descending bass lines just don't seem to mean as much without the static treble chord [smilie=cheeky-smiley-025.gif]
and since asking Jeff to chord just isn't an option... [smilie=grinning-smiley-044.gif]
I've had to come up with some cool substitutions/chordal/tapping solutions.

Bass and Sax.
This should either be a lot of fun
or a complete trainwreck.
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See ya on the other side!
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EBMM Stingray Natural/Maple
Xavier Custom 6 String
Ibanez AEB10K Acoustic
Dean Rhapsody 8 String
Carvin BK2A Fretless
Gibson EB3 (Project)
Epiphone Newport EBS
Synsonic Half Scale
Fender Mandolin
A couple Flea Ukuleles
and a few guitars...

Rigs:
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Re: Interesting Gig Tonight...

Postby nolabass » Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:08 pm

I sooo admire the ability to do it at all. It's weird for me... I was a music major in college but never evolved into chordal instruments or theory. Too busy partying and skipping class. Did not take long to fail. It's frustrating having a good solid musical understanding but not being able to see the big picture....or more accurately use it. It's like I can do it but not make use of it in a playing situation.

All I know is...... as an audience member, I would find it entertaining, clams and all watching you guys do this gig. Living in a brass city I have come to appreciate not being dependent on guitards for a full sounding band.
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Re: Interesting Gig Tonight...

Postby nig » Sun Sep 26, 2010 1:01 pm

'Using yesterdays technology to create tommorrows problems today'

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Re: Interesting Gig Tonight...

Postby GonzoBass » Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:38 am

Wow!
What an absolutely amazing gig!!!
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For the first couple tunes there was a bit of give and take
while we got our internal clocks in synch
(I sort of expected this, which is why I called "Bb Blues" first)
but once we got a good earful and found each other,
it was really something else as I felt us become comfortable,
we began to trust each other,
time became more flexible,
then we started to stretch out and have fun with the groove that was building between us.

THAT was when it went way beyond "synch" and what was on the written page
in a way that I NEVER expected.

I mean,
I practiced with the goal of "pulling it off as a duo with no rehearsal"
(and I'm glad I did!)
but with this guy,
it FAR surpassed that!!!
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Damn, Jeff's such a pro in every sense of the word,
not only because his credits include Ray Charles, Bonnie Raitt and The Gong Show
and ALSO in the fact that all the little things were there too;
On time, dressed for the gig, subtle cues, dynamics, great attitude (lots of laughs to be had)
but there were so many of those wordless moments that you strive for in a Jazz gig.
You know, the ones that make ya just smile
and say to yourself,
"Yeahhh Maaan, that's exactly what I was thinking too..."?
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We received terrific comments from the staff
as well as the patrons
($65.00 in the tip jar)
and I believe we both went home with new higher respect for each other.
I really, really don't think either of us expected it to go where it did...

I may be gushing here
but it was obviously quite an expirience for me!
One might even say it was "BadAss".
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Fender Deluxe 24 Fret Jazz
EBMM Stingray Natural/Maple
Xavier Custom 6 String
Ibanez AEB10K Acoustic
Dean Rhapsody 8 String
Carvin BK2A Fretless
Gibson EB3 (Project)
Epiphone Newport EBS
Synsonic Half Scale
Fender Mandolin
A couple Flea Ukuleles
and a few guitars...

Rigs:
Small-
GK MB112 combo
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GK MB500
GK 2x10 Neo
Large-
GK 1001 Mark II 2x10 combo
GK 1x15 RBS

Effects:
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Re: Interesting Gig Tonight...

Postby kennans » Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:51 am

This is very cool.

Let me ask you a question; as the gig went on, and the musical "conversation" became more comfortable, did you find you were playing less? Less concerned about outlining the chords? Was there less need to "carry" structure as the trust developed?

I've been tripping on the concept of "Bass and..." lately, and gathering info.
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Re: Interesting Gig Tonight...

Postby ghiadub » Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:31 am

I do gigs with just a trumpet or sax, me, and a drummer. But I can always hide behind the pocket that the drummer and I create.

I am of the mind that you need to step out of the comfort zone once and while to get your edge. Change it up, remix it, shuffle the deck.
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Re: Interesting Gig Tonight...

Postby nig » Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:09 am

Nice one Gonzobass, maybe a new beginning, I do hope so. [smilie=grinning-smiley-003.gif]
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Re: Interesting Gig Tonight...

Postby GonzoBass » Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:08 pm

Thanks for your questions Kennan!
It is really gonna help me to put this all into words!!!

Before I start to analyze this though,
please let me say that this is all based on MY virgin expirience
and hopefully YMMV, etc.

kennans wrote:Let me ask you a question; as the gig went on, and the musical "conversation" became more comfortable, did you find you were playing less?

As a dynamic to build the solos, yes.

I started with relatively bland/safe 1/4 note walking lines,
feeling I had to provide time as well as rhythm
(we'll discuss the harmony later)
but as we became more familiar and established an unstated common time between us,
here's the formula I developed as the gig went on;

Real simple during the head as a background for his statement,
longer notes and more rests as he started his solo
(almost as a step backwards to let the bottom drop out which gave us lots of room to grow),
busier and shorter notes as he went on
(the 3rd and 4th time through the chart)
which I found pushed HIM to play more
and then a return to simple when he came back to restate the head at the close.

This worked out real nice at times
and provided many of those "that was cool" smile moments!

...but it's not as if I invented it,
just pulled it off without a drummer.
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kennans wrote:Less concerned about outlining the chords?

Well, here again,
I'm not saying this was the right approach
and in fact it proved to be almost the wrong approach as you will see
but that was one of the first things to go when I was nervously practicing for this gig-
The extended chord outlines.

Considering the short time to prep and NO rehearsal,
at the time I was more interested in simply surviving
and providing a solid foundation for the tune
(root on the one, major/minor third and whether the fifth was flatted)
than I was providing a damn 13 or such
but once I quit sweating,
I did find myself using their lower octaves as passing tones, etc.
IE: I'd work in the 6th instead of the 13
or the minor 2nd half-step as opposed to the higher b9...
which definitely gave the tunes more color while still serving the bassline.

I'll start out this way next time!


kennans wrote:Was there less need to "carry" structure as the trust developed?

No.
That was my burden alone that night.
I felt I was playing the tune while someone else whistled along.
Without the ability to play chords,
I'm not sure how he would approach that
but it's something to discuss with him
and explore!


nig wrote:Nice one Gonzobass, maybe a new beginning, I do hope so. [smilie=grinning-smiley-003.gif]

It looks that way, Nigel!

With my guitard going on vacation for the entire month of October,
I've been in rehearsals with a sub,
but the presentation of the sax was much more appropriate for the clientele and upscale setting at Cafe Pesto
than the more "rock-ish" approach of the sub guitard.
While with the more beer drinking/Sports Center watching crowd at Hilo Burger Joint,
his Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughn instrumentals would fly better.

SO!
I just e-mailed Jeff this morning to ask if he'd be interested in taking the five Sunday gigs
and he is.
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Next step,
I meet with the sub guitard and discuss the option with him.
Not sure how to break this to him yet at rehearsal on Wednesday
but it's simply business.
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Fender Deluxe 24 Fret Jazz
EBMM Stingray Natural/Maple
Xavier Custom 6 String
Ibanez AEB10K Acoustic
Dean Rhapsody 8 String
Carvin BK2A Fretless
Gibson EB3 (Project)
Epiphone Newport EBS
Synsonic Half Scale
Fender Mandolin
A couple Flea Ukuleles
and a few guitars...

Rigs:
Small-
GK MB112 combo
Medium-
GK MB500
GK 2x10 Neo
Large-
GK 1001 Mark II 2x10 combo
GK 1x15 RBS

Effects:
Line 6 Bass POD XT Live
BBE 462 Sonic Maximizer

Re: Interesting Gig Tonight...

Postby GonzoBass » Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:35 pm

BTW,
for anyone who's interested...

Here's the song list we agreed on
and the * marked ones are the ones we actually played.

*All Blues
*Autumn Leaves
*Bb Blues
*Black Orpheus
*Blue Bossa
*Blue Monk
Blue Skies
Blue Trane
Chameleon
*Days of Wine & Roses
*Equinox
Europa
Exactly Like You
Fly Me to the Moon
Footprints
*Four
Girl From Ipanema
Green Onions
How Insensitive
Little Sunflower
*Moon Dance
Mr. PC
Route 66
*Satin Doll
So What
Something (Beatles)
*Stormy Monday
*Summertime
Take Five
Tequila
What a Difference a Day Makes

Wow, now that I look at it?
That's only 13 tunes
(out of 31)
spread out over 3 hours
with two 10 minute breaks
and a gourmet meal at the end.

Damn, that's easy money.
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Steinberger XP2 Workhorse (DB Bridge)
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Steinberger XP2A (Back Up)
Wilkat GonzoBass #001
Fender Deluxe 24 Fret Jazz
EBMM Stingray Natural/Maple
Xavier Custom 6 String
Ibanez AEB10K Acoustic
Dean Rhapsody 8 String
Carvin BK2A Fretless
Gibson EB3 (Project)
Epiphone Newport EBS
Synsonic Half Scale
Fender Mandolin
A couple Flea Ukuleles
and a few guitars...

Rigs:
Small-
GK MB112 combo
Medium-
GK MB500
GK 2x10 Neo
Large-
GK 1001 Mark II 2x10 combo
GK 1x15 RBS

Effects:
Line 6 Bass POD XT Live
BBE 462 Sonic Maximizer

Re: Interesting Gig Tonight...

Postby kennans » Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:48 am

This is all fascinating to me. Thanks for taking the time to write such a lengthy, well thought out answer.

One more question; did you play the songs in alphabetical order? [smilie=grinning-smiley-044.gif]
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Re: Interesting Gig Tonight...

Postby GonzoBass » Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:28 am

kennans wrote:This is all fascinating to me. Thanks for taking the time to write such a lengthy, well thought out answer.

No problem Kennan!
Like I said, it helped me to think about it
and set some goals for next time.

kennans wrote:One more question; did you play the songs in alphabetical order? [smilie=grinning-smiley-044.gif]

Ha!
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Naw, that was just a copy/paste from the list on the desktop.
The alphabetizing is my OCD kicking in there
and yes, my charts were all in that order in the book I brought too.

I called "Bb Blues" first
and then we took turns calling them from there.

ghiadub wrote:I am of the mind that you need to step out of the comfort zone once and while to get your edge. Change it up, remix it, shuffle the deck.

You are soo right, Tim!
It's just like they say about playing with guys better than you are.

I'm glad I did it.
Got me a new card in the deck as a result
(although Jeff tells me that Trane did Sax & Bass for years)
and Jeff will be my first call when I need a sub from now on.
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Location: Hilo, Hawaii
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Tools:
Steinberger XP2 Workhorse (DB Bridge)
Steinberger XP2 (B-E-A-D)
Steinberger XP2A (Back Up)
Wilkat GonzoBass #001
Fender Deluxe 24 Fret Jazz
EBMM Stingray Natural/Maple
Xavier Custom 6 String
Ibanez AEB10K Acoustic
Dean Rhapsody 8 String
Carvin BK2A Fretless
Gibson EB3 (Project)
Epiphone Newport EBS
Synsonic Half Scale
Fender Mandolin
A couple Flea Ukuleles
and a few guitars...

Rigs:
Small-
GK MB112 combo
Medium-
GK MB500
GK 2x10 Neo
Large-
GK 1001 Mark II 2x10 combo
GK 1x15 RBS

Effects:
Line 6 Bass POD XT Live
BBE 462 Sonic Maximizer

Re: Interesting Gig Tonight...

Postby Rob Francis » Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:16 pm

kennans wrote:
One more question; did you play the songs in alphabetical order? [smilie=grinning-smiley-044.gif]



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Re: Interesting Gig Tonight...

Postby Rob Francis » Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:16 pm

kennans wrote:
One more question; did you play the songs in alphabetical order? [smilie=grinning-smiley-044.gif]



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