What's it called?

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What's it called?

Postby randall » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:49 pm

If I want to tell a drummer (like on Saturday) to play ride triplets on the quarter beat {123 123 123 123} what is correctly called? I want to say quarter beat triplets, is that right?
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Re: What's it called?

Postby Cheap Bass Tard » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:52 pm

8th note triplets
shuffle feel
12/8 time

any of the above should work
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Re: What's it called?

Postby GonzoBass » Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:25 am

Yep, what you are describing are "Eighth Note Triplets".

In comparison:

"Quarter Note Triplets" on top
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"Eighth Note Triplets" on bottom

Cheap Bass Tard wrote:8th note triplets
shuffle feel
12/8 time

any of the above should work


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Re: What's it called?

Postby randall » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:40 pm

Thanks guys. I don't completely grasp it, but it got the job done!
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Re: What's it called?

Postby Cheap Bass Tard » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:53 am

Gonzo -

Thanks for posting the graphic above.

Really clarified for me the timing of qtr note triplets.
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Re: What's it called?

Postby randall » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:27 pm

I have to admit, I don't get it. If quarter notes are 4 beats to the bar, and you want triplets on each quarter note, then why are they eight note triplets, and not quarter note triplets?
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Re: What's it called?

Postby GonzoBass » Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:09 am

When using "Eighth Note Triplets" in 4/4 time
you are dividing each of the four beats by an odd number (3) to achieve shorter beats,
and since there's no such thing as a "Sixth Note" in which to write this in our standard notation,
the next best thing is used
(three smaller "Eighth Notes")
with the number 3 over/under a beam to indicate a triplet pattern.

Whereas a "Quarter Note Triplet" in 4/4 time
takes the place of two beats,
hence two "Quarter Note Triplets" occuring within four beats
and as in the same instance as above,
with the absence of a "Third Note" value in standard notation
the triplet is indicated with the number 3 beam.

The same applies to "Sixteenth Note Triplets".

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Re: What's it called?

Postby randall » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:19 pm

Wellll.... I understand and can tap out the the graphic above, but here's where I fall down. I think of quarter notes as being a quarter of a bar and eighth notes being 1/8 of a bar. So how can you fit more than that in a bar in 4/4? Unless it's not 4/4 maybe. The song I am thinking of is Fats Domino , "I Hear You Knocking". I'm playing that syncopated I III VI V III riff against the triplets on the ride. And I like to be able to set up drummer before he/she goes in a wrong direction with it.
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Re: What's it called?

Postby Gil Escalera » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:31 pm

Try this for a little audio/visual reference:

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Re: What's it called?

Postby GonzoBass » Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:07 am

randall wrote:Wellll.... I understand and can tap out the the graphic above, but here's where I fall down. I think of quarter notes as being a quarter of a bar and eighth notes being 1/8 of a bar. So how can you fit more than that in a bar in 4/4?

Ahh, yes.
I hear you Randall!

You are reasoning that,
in 4/4 time;

A whole note gets 4 beats
A half note gets 2 beats
A quarter note gets one beat
An eighth note gets half a beat
Etc.

So in following with this logic,
12 eighth notes should equal six beats.

Which brings us to your question of,
"How in the Hell are you going to write six beats in a bar that only contains 4 beats?"

Am I right?

This is what I was trying to get at earlier with this statement-
GonzoBass wrote:...since there's no such thing as a "Sixth Note" in which to write this in our standard notation,
the next best thing is used
(three smaller "Eighth Notes")
with the number 3 over/under a beam to indicate a triplet pattern.

Once the beam indicates a triplet,
the actual note value is void.

In other words,
That's just how "they" write it
and sometimes you have to just say,
"Whatever".


As always, the first rule of music applies.
You, ahh... do know the first rule of music.
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Re: What's it called?

Postby randall » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:15 am

GonzoBass wrote:Once the beam indicates a triplet,
the actual note value is void.

In other words,
That's just how "they" write it
and sometimes you have to just say,
"Whatever".

ohhhhh.... OK, Kinda like the English language with all it's exceptions I suppose. This stuff was invented by English guys anyway, was it not?
As always, the first rule of music applies.
You, ahh... do know the first rule of music.
Right?
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Um, no? [smilie=coz.gif]
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Re: What's it called?

Postby Cheap Bass Tard » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:19 am

You think that's bizarre - try figuring out why chord inversions have the 6 and 4 in the notation [smilie=smilie_kopf.gif]
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Re: What's it called?

Postby Freddels » Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:36 pm

Cheap Bass Tard wrote:You think that's bizarre - try figuring out why chord inversions have the 6 and 4 in the notation [smilie=smilie_kopf.gif]


That one's easy. If you have a triad (e.g., C, E, G) in that order on the staff, that's root position. Then first inversion is you drop the top note down (G, C, E) and if you count from G,A,B,C (that's the 4) and (G,A,B,C,D,E) that's the 6. Back in the olden days, keyboard players would just see progressions in figured bass and know exactly what inversions they were to play.
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Re: What's it called?

Postby Cheap Bass Tard » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:53 am

Thanks Fred that helps.
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Re: What's it called?

Postby noahvale » Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:06 am

randall wrote:
GonzoBass wrote:As always, the first rule of music applies.
You, ahh... do know the first rule of music.
Right?
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Um, no? [smilie=coz.gif]


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It helps to say triplet when reading triplets: tri-pul-let

Have him listen to some Chicago blues. Here's an example with ride triplets on the closed high hat:

14 Help Me.mp3 [ 9.67 MiB | Viewed 1378 times ]



I don't think there is a note in that song that is not a triplet or based on a triplet feel. There are hundreds more examples.

Speaking of blues, triplets and drummers.. My absolute biggest pet peeve that drummers do in blues is to think that they have to do huge across the kit turnarounds on every turnaround in a blues shuffle, invariably not making it back to the one at least once. [smilie=angry-smiley-005.gif]

Listen to what the drummer does on that cut. He just plays triplets on the snare on the turnarounds, building the intensity. That is how all great Chicago drummers do it.
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