"City of New Orleans"

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"City of New Orleans"

Postby Lieutenant Dan » Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:40 am

My group does this song, and it sounds splendid the way they do it, with a guitar, the drummer just keeps time with his foot on the hat and nothing else, and two people singing. Should there even be a bass guitar in this tune? Can't figure it out by ear LOL..but also thinking maybe bass just isn't needed here?
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Re: "City of New Orleans"

Postby Golem » Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:30 am

Lieutenant Dan wrote:My group does this song, and it sounds splendid the way they do it, with a guitar, the drummer just keeps time with his foot on the hat and nothing else, and two people singing. Should there even be a bass guitar in this tune? Can't figure it out by ear LOL..but also thinking maybe bass just isn't needed here?
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Dunno about any should-be, but sounds to me like you could try working with the drummer in equal ultra simplicity. After all, dontcha wanna "feel the wheels rumblin neath the floor" ? I'm thinking some soft damping material tucked under the strings .......

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EDIT: OOoooppz. Almost forgot. I think in FL. If you're stuck with frets, in addition to the damping, try wearing el cheapo cotton gardening gloves [or maybe just one .... Jacko] and keep to a classic 1-5 country time. Unless you've got a washtub bass, uh huh :-)

BTW, I think this thread belongs in "Performance", not "Charts & Theory", and I suspect the latter has wider participation. I'm suggesting you consider moving it to get more response.

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Re: "City of New Orleans"

Postby ReneGiust » Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:47 am

I might try walking some 1/4 notes through the changes. This (excellent) song makes me think root/five off the top of my head.
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Re: "City of New Orleans"

Postby ReneGiust » Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:49 am

Oh...and I like the mute idea. I keep a piece of foam in my bag for some quiet first set type stuff, however the subtlety seems to get lost in the mix most of the time.
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Re: "City of New Orleans"

Postby Lieutenant Dan » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:07 am

Great ideas Golem and Rene...thank you!

I do have foam piece for this kinda thing...I'll make sure to throw it in the case.

I should add that I put it here because I can't play the thing. LOL This is as hunt and peck for me as any song on the list.
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Re: "City of New Orleans"

Postby nolabass » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:31 am

Less is more. I might even play whole notes. The less notes I play the less notes I miss. Heh.
But seriously... playing only whole notes and making it musical is harder than it sounds.
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Re: "City of New Orleans"

Postby Golem » Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:37 am

nolabass wrote:Less is more. I might even play whole notes. The less notes I play the less notes I miss. Heh.
But seriously... playing only whole notes and making it musical is harder than it sounds.
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Thaz why I play FL. If I pluck a clam it becomes a leading tone [snarkle snark], but my better chosen notes can be milked for all their worth. Mwah-ha hhah mwaahhh .... mm whmmm :-)


Lieutenant Dan wrote:Great ideas Golem and Rene...thank you!

I do have foam piece for this kinda thing...I'll make sure to throw it in the case.

I should add that I put it here because I can't play the thing. LOL This is as hunt and peck for me as any song on the list.
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Well then, here's somebody's version of the changes:

CITY OF NEW ORLEANS JOHN DENVER, WILLIE NELSON
WORDS & MUSIC BY STEVE GOODMAN

(G) RIDING ON THE (D) "CITY OF NEW (G) ORLEANS"
(Em) ILLINOIS CENTRAL (C) MONDAY MORNING (G) RAIL
FIFTEEN CARS AND (D) FIFTEEN RESTLESS (G) RIDERS
(Em) THREE CONDUCTORS AND (D) TWENTY FIVE SACKS OF (G) MAIL

ALL AL(Em)ONG A SOUTHBOUND ODYSSEY THE (Bm) TRAIN PULLS OUT
OF KANKAKEE
(D) ROLLS ALONG PAST HOUSES, FARMS AND (A) FIELDS
(Em) PASSING TRAINS THAT HAVE NO NAME (Bm) FREIGHT YARDS FULL
OF OLD BLACK MEN
THE (D) GRAVEYARDS OF THE (D7) RUSTED AUTOMO(G)BILES

SINGING GOOD (C) MORNING A(D)MERICA, HOW (G) ARE YOU?
SAYING (Em) DON'T YOU KNOW ME, (C) I'M YOUR NATIVE (G) SON?
I'M THE TRAIN THEY CALL THE (D) "CITY OF NEW (Em) ORLEANS"
I'LL BE (C) GONE FIVE (B) HUNDRED (A) MILES WHEN THE (D) DAY IS (G)
DONE


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Re: "City of New Orleans"

Postby Lieutenant Dan » Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:59 am

Muchas gracias, Golem! I just tried out those changes against the band's cd and that's it! [smilie=music-smiley-005.gif]

If the guys ask me about a bad note, I'll just claim it as jazz. [smilie=cheeky-smiley-025.gif]
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Re: "City of New Orleans"

Postby GonzoBass » Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:54 am

nolabass wrote:...playing only whole notes and making it musical is harder than it sounds.


I've had to play a lot of whole notes in the musicals I've been doing lately
and as simple as it may look,
they ARE a challenge all to themselves.

I have learned this:
If you clam on a whole note, you've got nowhere to hide!
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Re: "City of New Orleans"

Postby earlgray » Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:53 am

ReneGiust wrote:Oh...and I like the mute idea. I keep a piece of foam in my bag for some quiet first set type stuff, however the subtlety seems to get lost in the mix most of the time.


I mute with my palm for some slow tunes like that -- I normally play fingerstyle, but to create a palm mute, I press my hand against the strings and pick with my thumb & 1st finger...works pretty well and you can "turn it on & off" pretty quickly. The harder you press, the harder you can pluck the strings...gives you a really dead muted sound.

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Re: "City of New Orleans"

Postby Golem » Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:17 am

Lieutenant Dan wrote:Muchas gracias, Golem! I just tried out those changes against the band's cd and that's it! .....
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Well then gracias should go to
Joseph George Caldwell
Lusaka, Zambia

cuz I got it from him :-)

Happy to forward it to save you some time and headbanging.

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http://www.foundation.bw/guitaroptions.htm

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Re: "City of New Orleans"

Postby Lieutenant Dan » Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:34 am

LOL...thanks, Golem. Gratitude and respect.

I worked hard on this one last night...love to play it. Finally got it memorized and can play it without the chart you gave me. Sounds great! I play whole notes on the changes in most cases....I tried using my thumb but was having some dynamics issues, but I think I can get that worked out eventually. Or just play fingerstyle and roll my tone on my bass all the way off (I usually have my tone control rolled down 60-70% anyway, and I use flats).
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Re: "City of New Orleans"

Postby GonzoBass » Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:16 pm

I actually heard this one on the Muzac while taking Grandma to the grocery store yesterday!
I was humming a cool Root-Low Five kinda groove to it.
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Re: "City of New Orleans"

Postby Lieutenant Dan » Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:26 pm

I tried that and I wound up having too much of a country bounce to it.....this song has kind of a sad tone to it that I like. I even added a passing note here or there and it almost sounded like too much LOL.

I did experiment with playing a bit more during the chorus parts and that kinda works, since it's 'happier' sounding.
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Re: "City of New Orleans"

Postby GonzoBass » Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:07 pm

I can see your point.
It definitely adds that country 1-2 feel...
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