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Postby Red Rhino » Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:15 pm

Let me start off by saying that I’ve never been a huge fan of vintage bass gear. Mostly because many of the older pieces I’ve encountered don’t play worth the money they command. I’m not a collector.

But about 5 or 6 years ago I snagged a ’65 P that had a fair amount of mojo and turned out to be a heck of a player. Neck, body, tuners, bridge, and pickups are original. Pickguard, pots, and some screws are not. (Not sure about the wiring. Harleyy examined the bass for me, but I can’t remember everything he noted.) Also, it was refinished, but belt buckle rash and other wear make the refin almost non-existent.

Anyway, here’s the dilemma: This bass hasn’t been getting a lot of playing time, and I generally don’t keep basses I don’t play. But I know that if I sell it, I will never ever get another, and I like the idea of having a nice P bass in my arsenal. I’m thinking that this is a good candidate for a restoration project. (Not that I would do it myself. I know my limits.)

Along with general clean up and restoring as much original equipment as makes sense, I’m considering a refin (body only; I kinda like the neck mojo).

So what do you vintage guys think? Seeing as how it’s already been refinished once, would doing it again be a huge travesty? :hid: Like I said, I’m not a collector, but I also wouldn’t want to screw something up out of ignorance.

Any recommendations on who to work with in the SF Bay Area?

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Re: '65 P

Postby harleyyy » Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:26 pm

Alan, my memory is not to clear but, it looks like it still has the original fullerplast undercoat or some sort of primer. Fender sometimes used this on their sunburst finish to hide imperfections in the alder, but not all of them. The neck pocket could reveal more. Kevin or others might know better. I would have Mike Dolan refin this back to sunburst, if that's what it was prior to black. Once a refin, always a refin, so you'd be adding value IMO. The G tuner screw has got to go, but a great looking bass. I wish I remembered more about it. [smilie=coz.gif]
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Re: '65 P

Postby nolabass » Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:28 pm

A lot of us see the value of keeping a nice old player P around. If I did a refin it would be reliced back to a players mojo. Not much of a fan of cleaning them up per say. An old bass looks better old. IMHO bla bla...
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Re: '65 P

Postby ghiadub » Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:58 pm

I dig that mojo.
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Re: '65 P

Postby steveonbass » Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:22 am

I'd leave it - another vote for mojo
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Re: '65 P

Postby GonzoBass » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:16 am

I dig mojo
but it means much more to me if I am the one who put it there.

Just my 2 cents...
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Re: '65 P

Postby aussiemark » Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:10 pm

Because it's already a refin you'll never recoup the expense of another refin, so if it plays nice, just enjoy it as it is.
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Postby harleyyy » Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:30 pm

It looks to me it's not getting played because of it's aesthetics, hence his thought to restore or refin.
Am I missing something?


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Re: '65 P

Postby Red Rhino » Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:07 pm

harleyyy wrote:It looks to me it's not getting played because of it's aesthetics, hence his thought to restore or refin.
Am I missing something?


Yeah, I think that's probably partly true. I do like a well-dressed bass. But right up front it needs some soldering work done, and I thought "while I'm at it...". You can guess what happens from there; it's like pulling at a thread on a sweater. [smilie=fun_84.gif] But beyond that, I'm actually a bit concerned that the areas of exposed, raw wood may negatively affect how the bass holds up in the long-term. You can't tell from the pics, but the area of belt-buckle rash is pretty rough.

aussiemark wrote:Because it's already a refin you'll never recoup the expense of another refin, so if it plays nice, just enjoy it as it is.

Good point, but since my intention wasn't to sell it, I'll never recoup any money anyway.

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Re: '65 P

Postby harleyyy » Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:10 pm

Red Rhino wrote:
harleyyy wrote:It looks to me it's not getting played because of it's aesthetics, hence his thought to restore or refin.
Am I missing something?


Yeah, I think that's probably partly true. I do like a well-dressed bass. But right up front it needs some soldering work done, and I thought "while I'm at it...". You can guess what happens from there; it's like pulling at a thread on a sweater. [smilie=fun_84.gif] But beyond that, I'm actually a bit concerned that the areas of exposed, raw wood may negatively affect how the bass holds up in the long-term. You can't tell from the pics, but the area of belt-buckle rash is pretty rough.-Alan


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Re: '65 P

Postby DaveyG67 » Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:46 pm

Mr. Dolan has retired and moved up north somewhere, unfortunately. I think the bass looks cool as is... I'd be worried that a refin might mess with the tone a bit... Dunno, I could be wrong.
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Re: '65 P

Postby DKWilkins » Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:38 pm

John Scott at Bluesman Vintage Guitars... He's outside of Nashville - definitely not in the bay area so that may be a non-starter for you. Kebo turned me on to him. John's done a couple of projects for me and there are a couple more on my back burner. Kebo uses him exclusively for his refins I believe.

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Re: '65 P

Postby Rodent » Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:22 am

Dolan retired? this is the first I've heard of that, but then news travels slow across all the moss here in the upper left corner

if you want to keep the body Nitro, I'd give consideration to Reranch products ... real vintage Fender colors in DIY poof cans. I've done several in the past, and you'll definitely come to appreciate just how much work goes into that $250 paint job at a quality finish shop


I have a RR Shell Pink job I'll be doing in a few weeks once (if) the weather finally warms up so I can shoot in the shop without getting any blushing

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Re: '65 P

Postby felig » Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:40 am

Sorry to hear that Michael is out of circulation, he does amazing work. Keeping it as is vs. refin/restoration--can't help you there--really it's entirely what you want if you are planning to hang on to it. If you are looking to sell it in the foreseeable future, I'm with the MARK from down under...as a private seller you probably would not recoup your investment to justify a good refine.

(I just realized that I created an Aussie Mike, sorry about that Mark--now edited to give you back your good name).
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'65 P

Postby harleyyy » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:53 am

I emailed Mr Dolan...

Peter,
My former employee and painter, Bob Groat is now running the Santa Rosa shop, I suggest you contact him about any painting projects. I have "semi-retired" and not longer have an open to the public-retail space, but I am still building and doing repairs on a limited, by appointment, basis.
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