Compressors for slap?

Re: Compressors for slap?

Postby SmittyG » Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:05 pm

GLJeff wrote:The compressors built into Hartke amps are great for slap, even the small combos.


I have a Hartke A35. It has a limiter circuit in there. I won't lie; I'm really a non-techie with this stuff; but I do know that compressors and limiters are related--I just don't know exactly how they are the same and how they are different. Yeah, I read the "definitions" online, but it really didn't make a lot of sense to me.
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Re: Compressors for slap?

Postby SmittyG » Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:08 pm

57RIP wrote:250 is a really typical hot spot for stage work. Seems like SM 57's amd 58's love 250 hz. Maybe it's dynamic mic's in general. Plus there's a lot of other information there - so I tend to be cutting there in order to keep everything else around me more clear ... learned that one from our buddy Passinwind and damn all if he wasn't right ...


Wow; I never knew that. I've always loved how it sounds, but maybe I'm muddying up the stage frequencies and just never realized it.
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Re: Compressors for slap?

Postby aussiemark » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:26 pm

SmittyG wrote:I do know that compressors and limiters are related--I just don't know exactly how they are the same and how they are different. Yeah, I read the "definitions" online, but it really didn't make a lot of sense to me.


Let's use a mountain range analogy. A limiter chops the peaks off all the dangerous mountains that are above a certain height. A compressor chops the tops off the mountains a little and also fills in the valleys a little.
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Re: Compressors for slap?

Postby GLJeff » Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:03 am

SmittyG wrote:
GLJeff wrote:The compressors built into Hartke amps are great for slap, even the small combos.


I have a Hartke A35. It has a limiter circuit in there. I won't lie; I'm really a non-techie with this stuff; but I do know that compressors and limiters are related--I just don't know exactly how they are the same and how they are different. Yeah, I read the "definitions" online, but it really didn't make a lot of sense to me.

The A35 has a compressor just like the other models, I have a A35 and used to have a 3500, same thing on both models.
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Re: Compressors for slap?

Postby 57RIP » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:08 am

SmittyG wrote:
57RIP wrote:250 is a really typical hot spot for stage work. Seems like SM 57's amd 58's love 250 hz. Maybe it's dynamic mic's in general. Plus there's a lot of other information there - so I tend to be cutting there in order to keep everything else around me more clear ... learned that one from our buddy Passinwind and damn all if he wasn't right ...


Wow; I never knew that. I've always loved how it sounds, but maybe I'm muddying up the stage frequencies and just never realized it.


Maybe for you mic-bleed isn't a problem ? We are probably coming from different places volume wise after all. I guess rule #1 is - if it sounds good, out front, then it is good... If the band is highly mic'ed then it's worth a walk around to see. I would expect the combo to be pretty mid-bass and mids in general forward so I might be exaggerating my typical mild scoop to get to where I want to be tonally.

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Re: Compressors for slap?

Postby SmittyG » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:10 am

aussiemark wrote:
SmittyG wrote:I do know that compressors and limiters are related--I just don't know exactly how they are the same and how they are different. Yeah, I read the "definitions" online, but it really didn't make a lot of sense to me.


Let's use a mountain range analogy. A limiter chops the peaks off all the dangerous mountains that are above a certain height. A compressor chops the tops off the mountains a little and also fills in the valleys a little.


Thanks. That actually made more sense than everything I have read. :)
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Re: Compressors for slap?

Postby SmittyG » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:40 am

GLJeff wrote:The A35 has a compressor just like the other models, I have a A35 and used to have a 3500, same thing on both models.


Mine has a single knob that says "Limiter" above it. Again, I don't fully understand what it does. Other than, the more I turn it up, the more the little blue light above the knob flashes. I normally leave it off. What should I set it on?
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Re: Compressors for slap?

Postby GLJeff » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:20 pm

SmittyG wrote:
GLJeff wrote:The A35 has a compressor just like the other models, I have a A35 and used to have a 3500, same thing on both models.


Mine has a single knob that says "Limiter" above it. Again, I don't fully understand what it does. Other than, the more I turn it up, the more the little blue light above the knob flashes. I normally leave it off. What should I set it on?


Mine says Limiter as well, but they do act more like a compressor. The more you turn it up the more it scrunches down the signal. It allows you to play it louder than normal, or crank up the EQ but the output will stay minimal. This gives you the dynamics for slapping without all the extra volume. On the Hartke heads it says Compression below the knob, but it really does the same job as the Limiter on the A35.

I usually use it at around 6 or 7.
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Re: Compressors for slap?

Postby SmittyG » Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:46 am

GLJeff wrote:Mine says Limiter as well, but they do act more like a compressor. The more you turn it up the more it scrunches down the signal. It allows you to play it louder than normal, or crank up the EQ but the output will stay minimal. This gives you the dynamics for slapping without all the extra volume. On the Hartke heads it says Compression below the knob, but it really does the same job as the Limiter on the A35.

I usually use it at around 6 or 7.


Thanks for the heads up; I'll try that out.
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Re: Compressors for slap?

Postby hmagman » Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:19 am

Recommend a dbx 160x for bass guitar use (studio or critical situations), there are a few on the used market.

I agree with Jerry regarding the dynamics being controlled by your right hand attack. In my situation the more comfortable/confident I became with my technique, the less I focused on the volume control for everything came together naturally...(I know not much help) difficult for me to explain in detail for this "lightbulb moment" came on for me 30 years ago (yeah, I'm old).

Actually, I can't remember when I used a compressor at a live gig.

IMHO, slap technique is just another tool in your toolbox (with pick, fingers, tapping, whatever) that can be used to fill a sonic requirement. There are some negative discussions in some bass circles regarding slap techniques. Not going to defend it, it's here to stay, use it or don't.
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Re: Compressors for slap?

Postby ken woodward » Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:39 pm

I love my old DBX 160 as well. It's the best that I have seen over the years, and when your not using to slap is levels out the volume of all the strings when playing normally. Great tool. Ken
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